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 Post subject: What do you predict for the gun fight in 2015
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What do you think we will see in 2015 as regards the fight for our gun rights?

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More state referendums for background checks, more media trying to inflate the numbers of school shootings to antagonize the useful idiots.

No real push on a federal level for anything as the (R) party is not really interested.

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You're going to see more Bloomberg-financed astroturf 'organizations' pushing Washington-style omnibus petitions intentionally labeled 'background check'; you're going to see the lamestream, drive-by media misrepresenting them and displaying their callous disregard for your rights; you're going to see the same twisted 'logic' used to convince the ignorant that disarming you - but not the criminals - somehow makes you 'safer' and that 'the cops will protect you (if they don't kill you and your dog first)'...

Can't speak for the other 49 states and the District of Corruption, but here in Arizona there's one organization preparing to cut 'em off at the ankles...but we can't do it without people getting involved, getting the facts straight, and carrying the message to the 'uninvolved' that 'it ain't about the guns', it's about their rights.

Come by the AZCDL table at any gun show, talk to us, and pick up one of our 'fact cards' on the coming Arizona initiative to curtail your rights.

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 Post subject: Re: What do you predict for the gun fight in 2015
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My guess is more "grass roots" groups trying to pass stuff at the state level. I got a call at the end of November from a "survey group" asking about how things should be worded on the next ballot. I gave the girl an earful about "gun show loop holes", "online sales loop holes", etc. It's going to happen.


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More state referendums for background checks, more media trying to inflate the numbers of school shootings to antagonize the useful idiots.

No real push on a federal level for anything as the (R) party is not really interested.


and don't forget "the mental health" issue.

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Hate to say it, but if things aren't 'moving in the right direction' for certain elements, I wouldn't discount another false-flag school shooting...with access to the site restricted, the site demolished, and the media holding the NRA 'responsible'.

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I would guess they are going after ammo, they view it as vulnerable.

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Mags and ammo for the most part. I foresee the back ground checks peetering out after republican controlled congresses and governors pass local strict scrutiny. Or at least I'm hoping.


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I could possibly see .gov trying to add more groups of citizens to the "prohibited possessors" category. It seems that it has been an easy circumvention of 2A that hasn't been met with with a great deal of resistance.

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SigSauerLover wrote:
I could possibly see .gov trying to add more groups of citizens to the "prohibited possessors" category. It seems that it has been an easy circumvention of 2A that hasn't been met with with a great deal of resistance.


Good one. You don't even need to be convicted to lose your gun rights.


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mtptwo wrote:
SigSauerLover wrote:
I could possibly see .gov trying to add more groups of citizens to the "prohibited possessors" category. It seems that it has been an easy circumvention of 2A that hasn't been met with with a great deal of resistance.


Good one. You don't even need to be convicted to lose your gun rights.


Since the Pentagon now labels protesting as "low-level terrorism",...I find this frighteningly plausible. Imagine if, because you dared to protest a government policy and demonstrated in the streets,...you were now a form of terrorist and a prohibited possessor?

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 Post subject: Re: What do you predict for the gun fight in 2015
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Likely: Closing the "gun trust" loophole.
Unlikely but possible: Adjusting the $200 NFA tax for inflation.

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atfsux wrote:
mtptwo wrote:
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I could possibly see .gov trying to add more groups of citizens to the "prohibited possessors" category. It seems that it has been an easy circumvention of 2A that hasn't been met with with a great deal of resistance.


Good one. You don't even need to be convicted to lose your gun rights.


Since the Pentagon now labels protesting as "low-level terrorism",...I find this frighteningly plausible. Imagine if, because you dared to protest a government policy and demonstrated in the streets,...you were now a form of terrorist and a prohibited possessor?


Remember the Homeland Security memo that talked about domestic terrorists and included NRA members/2A supporters, veterans etc? Not that it will happen in 2016 but I wouldn't be surprised if, even behind closed doors, the government starts to put more weight to calling "small government" types terrorists and watches them more closely. With the NSA tracking EVERYTHING, anything is possible.

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 Post subject: Re: What do you predict for the gun fight in 2015
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Likely: Closing the "gun trust" loophole.

Trusts aren't a loophole really, they just mean you don't need CLEO permission for NFA items.

I see another mode of attack: prohibited places. There's a bill in one state (OK?) that proposes to make any place a local governing body meets is a prohibited place even if they aren't in session. Every government building would become a potential meeting place if the locals didn't want you carrying. I can see other places being prohibited, like buses are in IL and DC.


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